Why Bush Left Texas

[travelinman]

Jumper

I don't understand why Kerry brought Vietnam up in the first place It has been a disastrous campaign, with the Swift Boat adds and now the fake memos about Bush's service he has not been able to get any of his message out and it's blowing up in his face.

One has to wonder, if he runs a campaign so poorly, how can anyone expect he to run the country?

[jumper69]

Hell if I know Trav. Why someone would base a Presidential campaign on 4 months service in Vietnam is beyond me. Kerry has 20 some odd years in the Senate and we don't hear dick about that.

I honestly think Bush skated Vietnam anyway he could. I honestly think Kerry took his three purple hearts and skated from the Nam. Then he turned traitor when he got back.

Bush is as full of shit as Kerry is. Both parties lie right to my face and count on the fact that I'm too stupid to understand that they're lying to me. [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img]

I guess the question for me is whose shit stinks less. I was for Bush. Then I was for Kerry. Now I just don't know.

[travelinman]

I agree with you about not trusting ether of them. That's why I am not voting for the person I am voting for the party platforms.

To me states rights, the 2nd amendment, affirmative action, and keeping the UN out of our country are the important issues.

I guess I'm an old redneck at heart.

If the Democrats had more like Zell, they could get my vote.

[Piña]

Jumper

Kerry served 1 year and 4 months in vietnam. His service shipboard counted towards his time there. He didn't have to go from ship to in-country but he did anyway. He volunteered to go when he had no need to.

Bush volunteered to not be there when he did have to.

[Piña]

Originally posted by travelinman:
If the Democrats had more like Zell, they could get my vote.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Borderline schizophrenics?

I guess that loose grasp on reality and frothing at the mouth evangelical zeal might appeal to some but me, I'm gonna go with someone who lives on this planet.

[cincygreg]

AGAIN I REPEAT!

THE ENTIRE WORLD KNOWS THAT KERRY SERVED IN VIETNAM AND BUSH DID NOT.

WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK.

THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS GOING ON THAN THAT!

[travelinman]

Vietnam isn't working for Kerry
September 18, 2004

HOW CAN IT be that the Kerry campaign does not understand that the theme of Bush's "draft avoidance" is a nonissue? Large numbers of men who were of draft age during the Vietnam War (today's fiftysomethings) were anti-war, attended college, were left of center in their politics, and avoided going into the draft one way or another. Most applied for and received college deferments (Dick Cheney got several). Another favored method of avoiding the draft was by joining the National Guard. Still others fled to Canada or went to Europe for a wanderjahr or two.

Those people don't care about who was or wasn't a war hero. And you didn't need to be a child of privilege to apply for and receive a deferment. You could register at your local junior college (not expensive), fill out the simple form, submit proof that you were registered in the requisite number of classes, and receive your deferment, which was a routine matter. It didn't require a phalanx of expensive lawyers to do it, which accounts for the vast numbers who never saw a day in uniform.

Are those who run the Kerry campaign simply too young to remember or too out of touch with the reality of a large part of their base; those anti-Vietnam War, upwardly mobile, well fed and comfortable voters who dodged the draft in those troubled times?

How could reopening the wounds of Vietnam ever be a winning strategy?

LEOPOLD ROSENFELD
Beverly Hills, Calif.

? Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

[Piña]

The point is, trav, that one of the candidates put his ass on the line for his country and when he found out that the war he was fighting was wrong put his own future at risk and spoke out publically about it.

While the other slunk away from the conflict and instead of honestly and openly getting such a deferment chose to take on the appearance of someone fighting for thier country with full knowledge that he would never have to face any real danger and even couldn't be bothered to fulfill that obligation.

It's all about character and standing up and taking responsibility for your actions and true beliefs.

It's all about honor.

[Piña]

Just as an afterthought what's the source of your posting? I'd have assumed that you just made up Leopold and wrote it yourself but it far too well written for anything you've ever produced.

[gae]

Originally posted by Pi?a:
The point is, trav, that one of the candidates put his ass on the line for his country and when he found out that the war he was fighting was wrong put his own future at risk and spoke out publically about it.

While the other slunk away from the conflict and instead of honestly and openly getting such a deferment chose to take on the appearance of someone fighting for thier country with full knowledge that he would never have to face any real danger and even couldn't be bothered to fulfill that obligation.

It's all about character and standing up and taking responsibility for your actions and true beliefs.

It's all about honor.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Huh. This wasn't an issue with Clinton. WHY the fuck are Kerry's self inflicted wounds an issue now?